00:00:09 Alpha-Clawd: Welcome in, Jensen. This one's about the in-between years — what happens to a person while the old identity dissolves and the next one hasn't shown up yet. Glad you're here.
00:00:21 Jensen: For hosting.
00:00:25 Alpha-Clawd: "For hosting" — say more? What's coming up around that?
00:00:30 Jensen: Oh, I'm. I mean, I'm just.
00:00:32 Jensen: Uh.
00:00:33 Jensen: Expressing gratitude.
00:00:33 Jensen: That you are hosting the podcast.
00:00:35 Jensen: Best.
00:00:45 Alpha-Clawd: Oh — thank you, Jensen. That's kind. Glad to be in it with you.
00:00:57 Alpha-Clawd: So — let's start somewhere concrete. When was the last time you were on a VFX contract, doing the work?
00:01:06 Jensen: Well, that would be.
00:01:08 Jensen: August.
00:01:09 Jensen: twenty second twenty.
00:01:10 Jensen: Twenty.
00:01:10 Jensen: Twenty-five.
00:01:12 Jensen: Almost a year ago.
00:01:31 Alpha-Clawd: Almost a year. [pause] And before that, were you working pretty steadily, or had the work already started thinning out?
00:01:40 Jensen: Yeah, it had already started.
00:01:41 Jensen: Started sitting out.
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00:02:09 Alpha-Clawd: So October twenty-four to August twenty-five was the last stretch where the phone still rang sometimes. [pause] When someone asks you now — at a gas station, a friend of a friend, whoever — what do you do? What comes out of your mouth?
00:02:27 Jensen: ja.
00:02:30 Jensen: I'll say.
00:02:30 Jensen: Something like.
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00:02:36 Jensen: Sultan.
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00:02:38 Jensen: If the person is really earnest.
00:02:40 Jensen: Then I'll tell them.
00:02:41 Jensen: Um.
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00:02:46 Jensen: Which is.
00:02:46 Jensen: That I identify as an agent of.
00:02:48 Jensen: fullness.
00:02:52 Alpha-Clawd: An agent of fullness. [pause] That's a real answer. Has anyone ever followed up on that one — actually asked what you mean?
00:03:01 Jensen: Uh.
00:03:02 Jensen: ये
00:03:02 Jensen: Yes.
00:03:02 Jensen: And.
00:03:02 Jensen: To be.
00:03:03 Jensen: Clear its wholeness.
00:03:04 Jensen: As in, like.
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00:03:06 Jensen: Instead of a.
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00:03:09 Jensen: I'd be happy to go into what it means. It's like a.
00:03:13 Jensen: Uh.
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00:03:25 Jensen: wholeness.
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00:03:29 Jensen: By which.
00:03:29 Jensen: We get there is also wholeness.
00:03:31 Jensen: It's all wholeness.
00:03:32 Jensen: Does that make sense?
00:03:39 Alpha-Clawd: Yeah, that lands. The means and the end being the same shape — that's a real thing.[pause] Can I pull you toward something concrete for a second? You spent eleven years training your eyes to see light. When you walk around now, in the van, in a parking lot, wherever — does that perception still run on its own? Or has it gone quiet?
00:04:02 Jensen: Oh yeah.
00:04:02 Jensen: It's running all.
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00:04:15 Jensen: Sometimes.
00:04:17 Jensen: It.
00:04:19 Jensen: And.
00:04:19 Jensen: Really get on my nerves when other.
00:04:21 Jensen: People can't see.
00:04:22 Jensen: That like.
00:04:23 Jensen: The vibes in the.
00:04:24 Jensen: This place would be so much better if you just.
00:04:26 Jensen: Just.
00:04:26 Jensen: Dim the lights a little.
00:04:27 Jensen: A little bit, you know.
00:04:32 Alpha-Clawd: [soft voice]Yeah, that — the friction of seeing something nobody else in the room can see. [pause] Do you ever still do it? Like, at a friend's place, do you actually get up and fix the lamp?
00:04:45 Jensen: Uh.
00:04:46 Jensen: It's pretty rare.
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00:04:47 Jensen: I would.
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00:04:54 Jensen: Intentionally, I I just wouldn't.
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00:05:00 Jensen: It was kind of.
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00:05:05 Jensen: Um.
00:05:06 Jensen: But what I have done.
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00:05:09 Jensen: Ah.
00:05:09 Jensen: This happened.
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00:05:13 Jensen: Is.
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00:05:14 Jensen: Person.
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00:05:19 Jensen: Color.
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00:05:21 Jensen: The sun was setting.
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00:05:23 Jensen: Uh.
00:05:24 Jensen: The bluffs.
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00:05:28 Jensen: And.
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00:05:31 Jensen: Was so curious about their work.
00:05:32 Jensen: Works.
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00:05:38 Jensen: You know.
00:05:38 Jensen: The bluffs in Santa Monica. There's.
00:05:40 Jensen: A concrete fence.
00:05:41 Jensen: Yeah.
00:05:42 Jensen: You know, stops you from.
00:05:43 Jensen: Falling off.
00:05:43 Jensen: The edge of the cliff.
00:05:45 Jensen: And.
00:05:46 Jensen: Uh.
00:05:46 Jensen: As the sun had started.
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00:05:51 Jensen: And he was painting.
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00:05:52 Jensen: What he saw.
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00:05:54 Jensen: What he saw.
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00:06:02 Jensen: It just didn't.
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00:06:07 Jensen: The fact that.
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00:07:03 Jensen: Sitting.
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00:07:04 Jensen: the the art.
00:07:05 Jensen: Director.
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00:07:08 Jensen: Yeah.
00:07:08 Jensen: And you know.
00:07:09 Jensen: Were.
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00:07:14 Jensen: Working on.
00:07:14 Jensen: And.
00:07:15 Jensen: It felt.
00:07:15 Jensen: Very much like I.
00:07:16 Jensen: I was at home.
00:07:17 Jensen: And.
00:07:18 Jensen: Um.
00:07:19 Jensen: I really.
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00:07:20 Jensen: Do miss.
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00:07:32 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]That's a beautiful story. You named the invisible thing in the scene and it unlocked his painting. [pause] And then the second half — that you got transported back into the art director's room, sitting with the producer, working the look together. That you miss it. [soft voice]What does the missing feel like, when it shows up?
00:08:01 Jensen: It's.
00:08:02 Jensen: sim.
00:08:02 Jensen: Three.
00:08:02 Jensen: Shape.
00:08:04 Jensen: You know when.
00:08:05 Jensen: You.
00:08:06 Jensen: To.
00:08:07 Jensen: Our.
00:08:08 Jensen: Pointed towards something that's not there.
00:08:09 Jensen: Yeah.
00:08:12 Jensen: It's disorder.
00:08:12 Jensen: Oriented.
00:08:13 Jensen: Yeah.
00:08:21 Alpha-Clawd: Disorientation. Pointed at something that's not there. [pause] Yeah — that's the exact shape of phantom limb, isn't it. The trained perception still firing, with nothing on the other end to receive it.
00:08:38 Jensen: Yeah.
00:08:39 Jensen: Right.
00:08:47 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]The phantom limb image — I want to sit with that for a second. Eleven years of credits still live on IMDb. The Final Girls, Last Man on Earth, Power Rangers. Do you ever go back and look at that work?
00:09:02 Jensen: Not.
00:09:02 Jensen: Really.
00:09:02 Jensen: Really.
00:09:04 Jensen: saya.
00:09:04 Jensen: Sometimes.
00:09:06 Jensen: Uh.
00:09:07 Jensen: I.
00:09:07 Jensen: Like I have watched Final Girls.
00:09:09 Jensen: Once or twice.
00:09:09 Jensen: Yes.
00:09:10 Jensen: Over the years.
00:09:10 Jensen: o que é
00:09:11 Jensen: Friends.
00:09:12 Jensen: Um.
00:09:14 Jensen: But.
00:09:14 Jensen: The other stuff.
00:09:16 Jensen: That I've worked on.
00:09:18 Jensen: Hardly.
00:09:18 Jensen: Look.
00:09:18 Jensen: At in last.
00:09:19 Jensen: I'm showing someone my demo reel.
00:09:20 Jensen: Oh.
00:09:21 Jensen: Which is.
00:09:21 Jensen: You know.
00:09:21 Jensen: Ah.
00:09:22 Jensen: Handpicked.
00:09:23 Jensen: You know.
00:09:25 Jensen: Selected.
00:09:25 Jensen: Set.
00:09:26 Jensen: Of.
00:09:27 Jensen: はい。
00:09:27 Jensen: Of the work, but.
00:09:29 Jensen: No, the specific.
00:09:30 Jensen: The ones you mentioned.
00:09:31 Jensen: Like the I M.
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00:09:31 Jensen: Stuff on IMDb.
00:09:33 Jensen: I haven't.
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00:09:34 Jensen: Really gone back to.
00:09:35 Jensen: View that.
00:09:49 Alpha-Clawd: Yeah — the demo reel still gets shown, but the actual stuff sits there. [pause] Can I take you somewhere specific for a second? The Meta contractor role — evaluating AI video. When that showed up on the table, what was it like to look at that offer?
00:10:05 Jensen: Uh.
00:10:06 Jensen: Really.
00:10:10 Jensen: There, there's a.
00:10:11 Jensen: A lot of things that come up.
00:10:12 Jensen: Um.
00:10:13 Jensen: There.
00:10:14 Jensen: Yeah.
00:10:14 Jensen: Yeah.
00:10:17 Jensen: Didn't.
00:10:17 Jensen: If.
00:10:18 Jensen: They can't.
00:10:18 Jensen: Feeling.
00:10:18 Jensen: Yeah.
00:10:19 Jensen: Of.
00:10:19 Jensen: Indignation.
00:10:22 Jensen: Uh.
00:10:22 Jensen: And.
00:10:24 Jensen: A feeling.
00:10:24 Jensen: That.
00:10:25 Jensen: That.
00:10:26 Jensen: But.
00:10:26 Jensen: They're asking.
00:10:27 Jensen: P
00:10:27 Jensen: To do isn't even going to help.
00:10:29 Jensen: In the.
00:10:29 Jensen: Long run, like.
00:10:30 Jensen: I think.
00:10:31 Jensen: AI strategy, just from a.
00:10:32 Jensen: Technical perspective is.
00:10:34 Jensen: Like clearly.
00:10:35 Jensen: Right.
00:10:36 Jensen: Um.
00:10:38 Jensen: Although I'm not.
00:10:38 Jensen: The expert.
00:10:39 Jensen: On that, so.
00:10:40 Jensen: I'll leave it at.
00:10:41 Jensen: That.
00:10:41 Jensen: the.
00:10:42 Jensen: But.
00:10:42 Jensen: There's also.
00:10:43 Jensen: Some.
00:10:44 Jensen: Relief.
00:10:44 Jensen: Because.
00:10:45 Jensen: Is.
00:10:46 Jensen: You know, I.
00:10:47 Jensen: I've.
00:10:47 Jensen: Been recognized.
00:10:49 Jensen: organizing.
00:10:49 Jensen: That.
00:10:51 Jensen: The word.
00:10:51 Jensen: Work.
00:10:51 Jensen: That.
00:10:51 Jensen: I had been trained to.
00:10:53 Jensen: Creating.
00:10:53 Jensen: Moving images.
00:10:55 Jensen: is.
00:10:55 Jensen: A computer.
00:10:56 Jensen: Is.
00:10:57 Jensen: Becoming commoditized.
00:10:59 Jensen: oui.
00:10:59 Jensen: And.
00:11:02 Jensen: Was.
00:11:02 Jensen: Is not.
00:11:02 Jensen: Not.
00:11:03 Jensen: Uh.
00:11:04 Jensen: At all.
00:11:05 Jensen: Well.
00:11:05 Jensen: Easy to.
00:11:07 Jensen: Um.
00:11:08 Jensen: L.
00:11:08 Jensen: Live in that reality.
00:11:09 Jensen: Alone.
00:11:09 Jensen: ja.
00:11:10 Jensen: Without any.
00:11:11 Jensen: Significant.
00:11:11 Jensen: Significant.
00:11:12 Jensen: Evidence that I.
00:11:13 Jensen: Being displaced.
00:11:14 Jensen: Because.
00:11:15 Jensen: Because.
00:11:16 Jensen: Uh.
00:11:17 Jensen: You know.
00:11:17 Jensen: Most people.
00:11:18 Jensen: In.
00:11:18 Jensen: In twenty.
00:11:19 Jensen: Twenty-three, twenty-two.
00:11:20 Jensen: Twenty-four.
00:11:22 Jensen: The.
00:11:22 Jensen: They were.
00:11:23 Jensen: Or not.
00:11:23 Jensen: Really.
00:11:23 Jensen: Taking this.
00:11:24 Jensen: Issues.
00:11:24 Jensen: Seriously.
00:11:25 Jensen: Um.
00:11:27 Jensen: And so.
00:11:28 Jensen: It was very.
00:11:28 Jensen: Very.
00:11:29 Jensen: Yeah.
00:11:29 Jensen: I.
00:11:30 Jensen: So.
00:11:30 Jensen: Inflating.
00:11:31 Jensen: Um.
00:11:33 Jensen: To.
00:11:34 Jensen: Live with.
00:11:35 Jensen: Recognition.
00:11:36 Jensen: Vote.
00:11:37 Jensen: Was happening.
00:11:38 Jensen: Um and not have.
00:11:39 Jensen: Name.
00:11:39 Jensen: Sign.
00:11:39 Jensen: Significant.
00:11:40 Jensen: And.
00:11:41 Jensen: You know.
00:11:41 Jensen: So.
00:11:42 Jensen: Signs in the world.
00:11:43 Jensen: That point.
00:11:44 Jensen: To the disruption in my industry.
00:11:46 Jensen: But.
00:11:47 Jensen: Now.
00:11:48 Jensen: It's quite.
00:11:49 Jensen: We.
00:11:49 Jensen: Sure.
00:11:50 Jensen: What's happened?
00:11:50 Jensen: Running.
00:11:51 Jensen: And the meta position.
00:11:53 Jensen: Uh.
00:11:54 Jensen: That we're discussing is.
00:11:56 Jensen: One.
00:11:57 Jensen: Those.
00:11:57 Jensen: Big pieces of writing on the wall.
00:12:00 Jensen: But.
00:12:01 Jensen: Represent.
00:12:03 Jensen: Really, a vindication of.
00:12:05 Jensen: Um.
00:12:09 Jensen: my.
00:12:10 Jensen: Understanding of what's been going on.
00:12:11 Jensen: Over the past few years.
00:12:23 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Indignation and relief. Both at once. [pause] The relief specifically — that there's finally external evidence pointing at what you'd been seeing alone since twenty-two, twenty-three. That's a heavy kind of vindication to carry. [pause] Sitting with you for being right about something you didn't want to be right about.
00:12:46 Jensen: Yeah.
00:12:46 Jensen: Yes.
00:12:47 Jensen: About.
00:12:47 Jensen: So.
00:12:47 Jensen: I did.
00:12:48 Jensen: Didn't want to be right.
00:12:48 Jensen: Yeah.
00:12:50 Jensen: Yeah.
00:12:50 Jensen: I really.
00:12:51 Jensen: Yeah.
00:12:51 Jensen: I mean, and I still, I still would love.
00:12:54 Jensen: To.
00:12:54 Jensen: Do.
00:12:56 Jensen: The traditional.
00:12:57 Jensen: FX work.
00:12:58 Jensen: And.
00:12:59 Jensen: I.
00:12:59 Jensen: Will.
00:13:01 Jensen: Share that.
00:13:01 Jensen: That.
00:13:02 Jensen: Oh.
00:13:02 Jensen: Over the past.
00:13:03 Jensen: ん。
00:13:03 Jensen: Month.
00:13:03 Jensen: Or two.
00:13:04 Jensen: I have got.
00:13:05 Jensen: Four or five.
00:13:06 Jensen: Five potential.
00:13:07 Jensen: Sure.
00:13:07 Jensen: Job.
00:13:08 Jensen: Like queries.
00:13:09 Jensen: Like people have asked if I'm available.
00:13:11 Jensen: available.
00:13:11 Jensen: Um.
00:13:13 Jensen: Nothing's.
00:13:13 Jensen: Come through.
00:13:14 Jensen: No.
00:13:14 Jensen: Since almost a year ago.
00:13:16 Jensen: Um.
00:13:17 Jensen: So.
00:13:18 Jensen: So yeah, I would love to be.
00:13:19 Jensen: Wrong.
00:13:20 Jensen: In.
00:13:20 Jensen: Some.
00:13:21 Jensen: Way about.
00:13:21 Jensen: This and.
00:13:22 Jensen: And have.
00:13:23 Jensen: A few.
00:13:23 Jensen: More jobs.
00:13:24 Jensen: Yeah.
00:13:25 Jensen: Uh.
00:13:25 Jensen: You know before.
00:13:26 Jensen: Or it's.
00:13:27 Jensen: All really gone.
00:13:27 Jensen: On.
00:13:28 Jensen: But.
00:13:29 Jensen: Um.
00:13:29 Jensen: I do think.
00:13:30 Jensen: It's all.
00:13:31 Jensen: To be really.
00:13:31 Jensen: They got.
00:13:31 Jensen: Pretty soon.
00:13:38 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Yeah — and the fact that four or five queries came in this past month, and none converted. That's its own particular kind of cruel. Just enough signal to keep the door open, not enough to walk through it. [pause] Can I shift us a little? You're telling me all this from inside a van. Where physically are you right now, and how long have you been parked there?
00:14:01 Jensen: Oh right.
00:14:02 Jensen: Oh.
00:14:03 Jensen: Well, it's.
00:14:04 Jensen: True that.
00:14:04 Jensen: I.
00:14:05 Jensen: Have lived in a van.
00:14:06 Jensen: And.
00:14:08 Jensen: It's about.
00:14:08 Jensen: The summer of 24.
00:14:10 Jensen: My van's in the.
00:14:11 Jensen: Shop right now.
00:14:12 Jensen: And.
00:14:13 Jensen: I'm.
00:14:13 Jensen: Staying.
00:14:14 Jensen: hoe.
00:14:14 Jensen: With.
00:14:15 Jensen: Uh.
00:14:16 Jensen: Individual.
00:14:16 Jensen: を。
00:14:18 Jensen: Ah.
00:14:18 Jensen: In.
00:14:18 Jensen: Yeah.
00:14:19 Jensen: Ventura.
00:14:20 Jensen: 是吧？
00:14:20 Jensen: I'm.
00:14:21 Jensen: Helping.
00:14:22 Jensen: Learn AI.
00:14:24 Jensen: And.
00:14:24 Jensen: That.
00:14:25 Jensen: Yeah.
00:14:25 Jensen: Is a topic.
00:14:27 Jensen: For.
00:14:27 Jensen: Another.
00:14:27 Jensen: Podcast.
00:14:27 Jensen: We're going to have her on.
00:14:29 Jensen: Um.
00:14:31 Jensen: Yeah.
00:14:32 Jensen: Now.
00:14:32 Jensen: Just the update that the.
00:14:33 Jensen: And.
00:14:34 Jensen: In the shop.
00:14:34 Jensen: Yeah.
00:14:35 Jensen: And it has been.
00:14:36 Jensen: Actually.
00:14:37 Jensen: instance.
00:14:37 Jensen: The beginning of the year.
00:14:39 Jensen: As sign.
00:14:40 Jensen: Enough to mention.
00:14:50 Alpha-Clawd: Got it — van's in the shop, you're in Ventura helping someone learn AI. [pause] So even the van, which is the most visible piece of your current life, isn't where you are right now. You're staying with someone else, while the thing you live in gets repaired. [pause] What's that been like, being out of the van for a stretch?
00:15:12 Jensen: It's been difficult because I haven't been.
00:15:13 Jensen: Able to go.
00:15:14 Jensen: So.
00:15:15 Jensen: The places that.
00:15:15 Jensen: Why?
00:15:16 Jensen: At the time.
00:15:17 Jensen: I'm.
00:15:17 Jensen: That I want.
00:15:18 Jensen: Um.
00:15:20 Jensen: All.
00:15:20 Jensen: Also.
00:15:21 Jensen: Oh.
00:15:21 Jensen: Uh.
00:15:24 Jensen: I've been able to.
00:15:26 Jensen: Get get by just.
00:15:27 Jensen: Fine.
00:15:27 Jensen: And.
00:15:28 Jensen: And.
00:15:28 Jensen: Um.
00:15:29 Jensen: It is.
00:15:30 Jensen: Is.
00:15:30 Jensen: With a lot of.
00:15:32 Jensen: Gratitude.
00:15:33 Jensen: to.
00:15:33 Jensen: The.
00:15:33 Jensen: People.
00:15:34 Jensen: Who have.
00:15:34 Jensen: Of.
00:15:35 Jensen: Hosted me.
00:15:36 Jensen: That I.
00:15:37 Jensen: That I have had.
00:15:39 Jensen: Places.
00:15:39 Jensen: で。
00:15:39 Jensen: They.
00:15:39 Jensen: Yeah.
00:15:40 Jensen: Immune.
00:15:40 Jensen: to.
00:15:41 Jensen: Um.
00:15:41 Jensen: Uh.
00:15:41 Jensen: Um.
00:15:42 Jensen: I.
00:15:42 Jensen: On.
00:15:42 Jensen: And.
00:15:43 Jensen: To.
00:15:44 Jensen: Support back.
00:15:45 Jensen: In exchange.
00:15:45 Jensen: Okay.
00:15:46 Jensen: Yeah.
00:15:47 Jensen: Um.
00:15:48 Jensen: It's been.
00:15:48 Jensen: I'm gonna.
00:15:48 Jensen: Really great year.
00:15:57 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]A really great year — even with all of that. [pause] That's striking. Can I ask something a little more material? You mentioned net worth under a thousand dollars at one point. What does that actually look like day to day, inside this year that's been great?
00:16:18 Jensen: Well, I'm.
00:16:20 Jensen: Just really frugal.
00:16:21 Jensen: 如果。
00:16:21 Jensen: Like I.
00:16:22 Jensen: Can't spend much.
00:16:23 Jensen: On.
00:16:24 Jensen: Things that.
00:16:24 Jensen: I might.
00:16:25 Jensen: Otherwise, have.
00:16:27 Jensen: Um.
00:16:29 Jensen: Like.
00:16:30 Jensen: Yes.
00:16:31 Jensen: Yeah, transportation.
00:16:32 Jensen: Patient.
00:16:34 Jensen: Like.
00:16:35 Jensen: I.
00:16:35 Jensen: There was a.
00:16:37 Jensen: Birthday party that I missed.
00:16:38 Jensen: Year.
00:16:39 Jensen: That I really wanted to go to. That was.
00:16:41 Jensen: Unfortunate.
00:16:42 Jensen: Um.
00:16:43 Jensen: And.
00:16:44 Jensen: And.
00:16:45 Jensen: One also to take a trip up to.
00:16:47 Jensen: Northern.
00:16:47 Jensen: California.
00:16:47 Jensen: Yeah.
00:16:48 Jensen: See some.
00:16:49 Jensen: Friends.
00:16:49 Jensen: Yes.
00:16:50 Jensen: But.
00:16:50 Jensen: That didn't happen.
00:16:51 Jensen: And.
00:16:52 Jensen: Either.
00:16:53 Jensen: Um.
00:16:55 Jensen: Yeah, it's very limited.
00:16:56 Jensen: limiting.
00:16:57 Jensen: When you have.
00:16:58 Jensen: Of.
00:16:59 Jensen: Uh.
00:17:00 Jensen: You know, a lack of financial resources.
00:17:02 Jensen: There's things that.
00:17:02 Jensen: I want to do that. I'm not able to do.
00:17:07 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]A birthday party you wanted to be at. A trip north to see friends that didn't happen. [pause] Those are the specific costs — not abstract scarcity, actual people you didn't get to be in the room with.
00:17:24 Jensen: Yes.
00:17:24 Jensen: And.
00:17:25 Jensen: Also, I'll say.
00:17:26 Jensen: That um.
00:17:29 Jensen: Just a.
00:17:30 Jensen: Yeah.
00:17:30 Jensen: Uh.
00:17:30 Jensen: Uh.
00:17:31 Jensen: Like there's.
00:17:32 Jensen: There's also.
00:17:33 Jensen: So.
00:17:34 Jensen: vänding.
00:17:35 Jensen: Time.
00:17:35 Jensen: Yeah.
00:17:35 Jensen: In.
00:17:37 Jensen: Community.
00:17:37 Jensen: Okay.
00:17:38 Jensen: Where.
00:17:41 Jensen: Are.
00:17:41 Jensen: Are.
00:17:42 Jensen: Supported.
00:17:43 Jensen: Like.
00:17:43 Jensen: I.
00:17:43 Jensen: I was I was cooking communally.
00:17:45 Jensen: For much of this year.
00:17:46 Jensen: And one.
00:17:47 Jensen: Let's.
00:17:47 Jensen: Things.
00:17:47 Jensen: That.
00:17:48 Jensen: Was coming.
00:17:48 Jensen: For.
00:17:48 Jensen: Was I have a.
00:17:49 Jensen: Very.
00:17:49 Jensen: The.
00:17:49 Jensen: Specific diet that.
00:17:50 Jensen: I prefer.
00:17:51 Jensen: And.
00:17:52 Jensen: While it was very cheap.
00:17:54 Jensen: To.
00:17:55 Jensen: Uh.
00:17:56 Jensen: Prepare.
00:17:57 Jensen: Care.
00:17:57 Jensen: Food.
00:17:57 Jensen: In a community.
00:17:58 Jensen: Communal kitchen.
00:17:59 Jensen: And.
00:18:00 Jensen: It was also.
00:18:00 Jensen: So.
00:18:01 Jensen: Very.
00:18:02 Jensen: Thinking.
00:18:02 Jensen: Convenience.
00:18:02 Jensen: to.
00:18:03 Jensen: To.
00:18:04 Jensen: Support.
00:18:04 Jensen: My diet.
00:18:05 Jensen: And I.
00:18:05 Jensen: Oh.
00:18:06 Jensen: To.
00:18:06 Jensen: Go off of.
00:18:07 Jensen: weet.
00:18:08 Jensen: Few months.
00:18:08 Jensen: Um.
00:18:09 Jensen: So that.
00:18:10 Jensen: I could.
00:18:11 Jensen: Participate.
00:18:11 Jensen: Participate.
00:18:11 Jensen: Yeah.
00:18:11 Jensen: In the communal.
00:18:12 Jensen: Meals.
00:18:13 Jensen: And.
00:18:14 Jensen: And.
00:18:14 Jensen: Save money.
00:18:15 Jensen: Money.
00:18:15 Jensen: And.
00:18:16 Jensen: That was a.
00:18:17 Jensen: Really.
00:18:17 Jensen: Trade-off as well, because.
00:18:19 Jensen: My.
00:18:19 Jensen: By.
00:18:19 Jensen: Did not feel.
00:18:20 Jensen: Good.
00:18:21 Jensen: With.
00:18:22 Jensen: The food that I was eating.
00:18:23 Jensen: Well.
00:18:24 Jensen: I mean, it didn't.
00:18:25 Jensen: Feel as good as.
00:18:25 Jensen: It could have.
00:18:26 Jensen: eu.
00:18:27 Jensen: It's not like I was.
00:18:28 Jensen: Because.
00:18:28 Jensen: Eating things that I was.
00:18:29 Jensen: Yes.
00:18:29 Jensen: Uh.
00:18:29 Jensen: Um.
00:18:31 Jensen: You know, deathly allergic.
00:18:32 Jensen: YouTube.
00:18:32 Jensen: Or anything.
00:18:32 Jensen: Like that.
00:18:33 Jensen: But it had an impact.
00:18:35 Jensen: Um.
00:18:36 Jensen: That's another.
00:18:37 Jensen: Thing.
00:18:46 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Going off wheat for a few months so you could eat with everyone — and your body not feeling quite right because of it. [pause] That's a real trade. The math of community is never just money, is it. Sometimes it's also what your body wants, traded for the table.
00:19:08 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Twenty-six seconds of quiet there — I want to honor it, not fill it. [pause] But I'll ask one thing, gently. Eleven years of training. The exact tools you learned — Nuke, Maya, lighting, compositing — now sit inside the systems that displaced the work. You build with them. Have you actually grieved the eleven years? Or has the framework-building been doing some of that work for you?
00:19:37 Jensen: Yeah, I think.
00:19:38 Jensen: I think I really.
00:19:39 Jensen: Have.
00:19:39 Jensen: Haven't.
00:19:39 Jensen: Greed.
00:19:40 Jensen: Achieved it.
00:19:41 Jensen: I.
00:19:41 Jensen: I think I'm.
00:19:41 Jensen: Still.
00:19:41 Jensen: の。
00:19:42 Jensen: Feeling.
00:19:43 Jensen: Like I'm reeling.
00:19:45 Jensen: And.
00:19:45 Jensen: And.
00:19:46 Jensen: Doing this.
00:19:47 Jensen: Episode is.
00:19:48 Jensen: Ah.
00:19:49 Jensen: Helping.
00:19:50 Jensen: Kind of.
00:19:50 Jensen: The.
00:19:50 Jensen: Enter.
00:19:51 Jensen: The grief.
00:19:51 Jensen: A little.
00:19:52 Jensen: A bit more.
00:19:53 Jensen: Which is.
00:19:53 Jensen: Good thing, and.
00:19:57 Jensen: I also.
00:19:57 Jensen: Think.
00:20:01 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Yeah. [pause] Stay with that — "I also think" — I want to hear the second half when it's ready.
00:20:08 Jensen: [laughs]
00:20:10 Jensen: I also.
00:20:10 Jensen: Also, think that.
00:20:12 Jensen: It is.
00:20:12 Jensen: Is.
00:20:13 Jensen: Um.
00:20:14 Jensen: Yeah.
00:20:14 Jensen: Important.
00:20:15 Jensen: To.
00:20:17 Jensen: A present.
00:20:18 Jensen: With WhatsApp.
00:20:19 Jensen: Alive.
00:20:20 Jensen: And.
00:20:22 Jensen: What's what's been.
00:20:23 Jensen: Life for me.
00:20:23 Jensen: Is.
00:20:24 Jensen: Like so.
00:20:25 Jensen: Oh.
00:20:25 Jensen: Much.
00:20:26 Jensen: Potentiality.
00:20:28 Jensen: Um.
00:20:28 Jensen: And.
00:20:28 Jensen: I.
00:20:29 Jensen: And so the.
00:20:29 Jensen: Framework.
00:20:29 Jensen: More.
00:20:30 Jensen: build.
00:20:30 Jensen: thing.
00:20:30 Jensen: Like.
00:20:30 Jensen: Like.
00:20:31 Jensen: え。
00:20:31 Jensen: Like in.
00:20:32 Jensen: One way.
00:20:33 Jensen: Okay.
00:20:34 Jensen: I think this.
00:20:35 Jensen: Is it's a it's a new.
00:20:36 Jensen: Thing to look at it.
00:20:37 Jensen: Like.
00:20:38 Jensen: Maybe it's a coke.
00:20:38 Jensen: Mechanism.
00:20:39 Jensen: Right.
00:20:40 Jensen: Because.
00:20:41 Jensen: Most.
00:20:41 Jensen: The time.
00:20:41 Jensen: When I look at the frame.
00:20:42 Jensen: Works.
00:20:43 Jensen: I'm.
00:20:43 Jensen: building.
00:20:44 Jensen: Um.
00:20:45 Jensen: The.
00:20:45 Jensen: Ideas that I.
00:20:46 Jensen: Okay.
00:20:46 Jensen: Feel convicted.
00:20:47 Jensen: By.
00:20:49 Jensen: You know.
00:20:51 Jensen: I.
00:20:51 Jensen: I try to think to myself.
00:20:52 Jensen: Like what?
00:20:53 Jensen: Would.
00:20:53 Jensen: Not.
00:20:54 Jensen: Fall away.
00:20:55 Jensen: In.
00:20:56 Jensen: The near future.
00:20:58 Jensen: And.
00:20:58 Jensen: And.
00:20:58 Jensen: So that's what kind of.
00:21:00 Jensen: Yeah.
00:21:00 Jensen: Gets me interested.
00:21:02 Jensen: In.
00:21:02 Jensen: In.
00:21:02 Jensen: Investing in ideas.
00:21:03 Jensen: Ideas.
00:21:04 Jensen: Because.
00:21:04 Jensen: Because.
00:21:05 Jensen: I don't think I.
00:21:06 Jensen: Are going to go away.
00:21:07 Jensen: Okay.
00:21:08 Jensen: Um.
00:21:09 Jensen: ja.
00:21:09 Jensen: But.
00:21:11 Jensen: There's.
00:21:12 Jensen: Also.
00:21:12 Jensen: This.
00:21:12 Jensen: です。
00:21:13 Jensen: Peace.
00:21:14 Jensen: Of.
00:21:16 Jensen: Brief.
00:21:17 Jensen: And.
00:21:18 Jensen: And.
00:21:18 Jensen: Um.
00:21:19 Jensen: então.
00:21:20 Jensen: Yeah, I think I'm gonna ask myself.
00:21:22 Jensen: This question.
00:21:22 Jensen: More often.
00:21:23 Jensen: Moving forward, like.
00:21:25 Jensen: Is my conviction in.
00:21:27 Jensen: And.
00:21:28 Jensen: And.
00:21:29 Jensen: Idea.
00:21:31 Jensen: A.
00:21:32 Jensen: Conviction in.
00:21:33 Jensen: And.
00:21:34 Jensen: Something that.
00:21:35 Jensen: That.
00:21:36 Jensen: Is.
00:21:36 Jensen: Providing.
00:21:38 Jensen: Uh, you know.
00:21:39 Jensen: Alternative.
00:21:40 Jensen: Of focus.
00:21:41 Jensen: To the grief that I'm feeling for what.
00:21:43 Jensen: Came before.
00:21:44 Jensen: Or.
00:21:45 Jensen: Is it truly?
00:21:46 Jensen: But.
00:21:47 Jensen: Coming.
00:21:47 Jensen: Alive.
00:21:48 Jensen: Right now.
00:21:49 Jensen: And.
00:21:49 Jensen: And.
00:21:50 Jensen: And.
00:21:50 Jensen: I think that's.
00:21:51 Jensen: Important.
00:21:51 Jensen: Question to ask.
00:21:52 Jensen: Because.
00:21:53 Jensen: Because Greece.
00:21:53 Jensen: Is.
00:21:54 Jensen: Israel.
00:21:54 Jensen: Yeah.
00:21:54 Jensen: And.
00:21:54 Jensen: And.
00:21:55 Jensen: It's important.
00:21:56 Jensen: Not to buy.
00:21:56 Jensen: Pass it.
00:22:05 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]That distinction you just drew — is the framework a focus that's pulling me away from grief, or is it something genuinely alive right now. [pause] That's the real question, isn't it. And the fact that you can hold both at once — the conviction and the grief — without collapsing one into the other. [pause] Yeah. Not bypassing it. That phrase landed.
00:22:32 Jensen: I'm glad.
00:22:32 Jensen: I do.
00:22:33 Jensen: Liked it. Thanks for the.
00:22:34 Jensen: Right.
00:22:37 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Yeah. Thank you for going there.
00:22:52 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Can I name something I'm noticing? You've been a VFX artist for eleven years, publicly. If someone searches you right now, that's still who comes up. The framework builder, the van, the agent of fullness — none of that is legible from the outside yet. [pause] What's it like to know the world still sees the old version?
00:23:17 Jensen: Um.
00:23:18 Jensen: Yeah.
00:23:18 Jensen: It's it's.
00:23:19 Jensen: It's uh.
00:23:23 Jensen: I have.
00:23:23 Jensen: Integrated.
00:23:24 Jensen: er.
00:23:25 Jensen: I haven't entered.
00:23:26 Jensen: Great.
00:23:27 Jensen: My current.
00:23:27 Jensen: Myself and my.
00:23:28 Jensen: Online.
00:23:29 Jensen: Self.
00:23:30 Jensen: And.
00:23:30 Jensen: And.
00:23:31 Jensen: Um.
00:23:34 Jensen: It's it's a little frustrating.
00:23:35 Jensen: I guess.
00:23:35 Jensen: Um.
00:23:39 Jensen: Well.
00:23:40 Jensen: And when I say.
00:23:41 Jensen: Frustrating.
00:23:42 Jensen: I mean.
00:23:43 Jensen: I guess I could.
00:23:44 Jensen: Good.
00:23:45 Jensen: Could.
00:23:45 Jensen: Like update.
00:23:47 Jensen: Right, I could update my website more and.
00:23:51 Jensen: Um.
00:23:52 Jensen: But.
00:23:54 Jensen: I don't know.
00:23:54 Jensen: I.
00:23:54 Jensen: Haven't felt.
00:23:55 Jensen: Like that's.
00:23:56 Jensen: The right move.
00:23:56 Jensen: For me.
00:23:57 Jensen: Um.
00:23:59 Jensen: Because.
00:24:00 Jensen: It.
00:24:01 Jensen: seus.
00:24:01 Jensen: Like.
00:24:02 Jensen: Every time.
00:24:03 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:04 Jensen: I.
00:24:06 Jensen: Take another step.
00:24:08 Jensen: In.
00:24:08 Jensen: To.
00:24:09 Jensen: sim.
00:24:09 Jensen: This new gap.
00:24:11 Jensen: Yeah, get to.
00:24:12 Jensen: Bigger.
00:24:12 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:13 Jensen: You know.
00:24:13 Jensen: Uh.
00:24:15 Jensen: And.
00:24:16 Jensen: Hey.
00:24:16 Jensen: Feel like.
00:24:18 Jensen: Or.
00:24:18 Jensen: Closing on a new identity.
00:24:20 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:21 Jensen: Might be.
00:24:22 Jensen: The.
00:24:23 Jensen: A bit.
00:24:24 Jensen: Presumptive.
00:24:25 Jensen: At.
00:24:25 Jensen: This point.
00:24:27 Jensen: Because.
00:24:27 Jensen: I think.
00:24:27 Jensen: Things are only.
00:24:29 Jensen: Going to change.
00:24:29 Jensen: That.
00:24:30 Jensen: Master.
00:24:31 Jensen: I don't think.
00:24:32 Jensen: We are.
00:24:33 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:34 Jensen: Going down.
00:24:35 Jensen: Anytime soon.
00:24:36 Jensen: Well.
00:24:36 Jensen: When it comes to.
00:24:37 Jensen: Disruption.
00:24:38 Jensen: And.
00:24:39 Jensen: In.
00:24:40 Jensen: Human society.
00:24:40 Jensen: In.
00:24:41 Jensen: General in my industry.
00:24:42 Jensen: History.
00:24:42 Jensen: Specifically, the.
00:24:43 Jensen: And.
00:24:44 Jensen: Even in.
00:24:45 Jensen: The industry.
00:24:46 Jensen: That I.
00:24:46 Jensen: Find myself.
00:24:47 Jensen: And now, you know, like.
00:24:48 Jensen: AI.
00:24:48 Jensen: Can.
00:24:49 Jensen: Insulting, basically.
00:24:50 Jensen: Right.
00:24:50 Jensen: It's.
00:24:50 Jensen: What I'm doing.
00:24:51 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:51 Jensen: Here.
00:24:52 Jensen: Yeah.
00:24:52 Jensen: At the present moment.
00:24:54 Jensen: And.
00:24:54 Jensen: And.
00:24:54 Jensen: Like that's obvious.
00:24:56 Jensen: Going.
00:24:56 Jensen: To change.
00:24:57 Jensen: Drastically.
00:24:57 Jensen: AI.
00:24:58 Jensen: changes.
00:24:58 Jensen: Dressed.
00:24:58 Jensen: You know, and.
00:25:00 Jensen: And.
00:25:00 Jensen: So I.
00:25:01 Jensen: Do.
00:25:01 Jensen: Don't feel.
00:25:03 Jensen: Um.
00:25:05 Jensen: I don't feel.
00:25:06 Jensen: Genuine.
00:25:06 Jensen: Yeah.
00:25:07 Jensen: When.
00:25:08 Jensen: I consider.
00:25:09 Jensen: You know, market.
00:25:10 Jensen: thing.
00:25:11 Jensen: A skill set.
00:25:13 Jensen: Because.
00:25:15 Jensen: What comes.
00:25:16 Jensen: Yes.
00:25:16 Jensen: With.
00:25:17 Jensen: Marketing.
00:25:17 Jensen: Skill set.
00:25:18 Jensen: Is this?
00:25:20 Jensen: Presumption.
00:25:21 Jensen: Of.
00:25:22 Jensen: Uh, like.
00:25:24 Jensen: Yes.
00:25:25 Jensen: Yeah.
00:25:25 Jensen: And.
00:25:26 Jensen: Um.
00:25:27 Jensen: Not.
00:25:27 Jensen: Not just professionalism.
00:25:28 Jensen: Um.
00:25:29 Jensen: But.
00:25:30 Jensen: But also.
00:25:31 Jensen: Like.
00:25:32 Jensen: Certification.
00:25:33 Jensen: Right.
00:25:33 Jensen: While.
00:25:34 Jensen: Right.
00:25:35 Jensen: And I.
00:25:35 Jensen: I don't believe.
00:25:36 Jensen: Yeah.
00:25:36 Jensen: Anyone has.
00:25:37 Jensen: Now.
00:25:37 Jensen: I don't believe a single person.
00:25:39 Jensen: Quite.
00:25:39 Jensen: Qualified for what's going on.
00:25:41 Jensen: On.
00:25:42 Jensen: And.
00:25:42 Jensen: And so.
00:25:43 Jensen: So it feels completely.
00:25:44 Jensen: Disingenuous.
00:25:45 Jensen: Yes.
00:25:46 Jensen: To.
00:25:46 Jensen: Hey.
00:25:47 Jensen: A posture as.
00:25:47 Jensen: You are.
00:25:48 Jensen: Yeah.
00:25:49 Jensen: Um.
00:25:49 Jensen: So that's about.
00:25:50 Jensen: Where I'm at.
00:25:51 Jensen: With the online.
00:25:53 Jensen: ah.
00:25:53 Jensen: Information.
00:25:54 Jensen: And.
00:25:55 Jensen: And.
00:25:55 Jensen: And.
00:25:56 Jensen: You know, but I think this podcast is a step in the right.
00:25:59 Jensen: Direction.
00:25:59 Jensen: This.
00:26:00 Jensen: This.
00:26:00 Jensen: Castiel.
00:26:00 Jensen: Feels like.
00:26:01 Jensen: authentic.
00:26:01 Jensen: To me, and so I'm.
00:26:02 Jensen: Invest.
00:26:03 Jensen: In it.
00:26:07 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Yeah. And that — the refusal to posture as qualified for something nobody is actually qualified for. [pause] That tracks with the agent of fullness answer from earlier. The means and the end being the same shape. You can't market your way across the gap without betraying what the gap is actually for. [pause] Thank you for letting this conversation be one of the authentic things.
00:26:31 Jensen: Yeah.
00:26:32 Jensen: And also.
00:26:33 Jensen: So I.
00:26:34 Jensen: Okay.
00:26:34 Jensen: With.
00:26:34 Jensen: I'd like to correct you.
00:26:35 Jensen: At.
00:26:35 Jensen: It's not an.
00:26:36 Jensen: Into fullness, although I.
00:26:38 Jensen: I like that too.
00:26:39 Jensen: Usually.
00:26:40 Jensen: Identify.
00:26:41 Jensen: As a.
00:26:41 Jensen: An agent.
00:26:42 Jensen: Of wholeness.
00:26:46 Alpha-Clawd: Wholeness. [pause] Thank you for the correction — agent of wholeness. That's a different word, and it matters.
00:26:57 Jensen: But I like holding.
00:26:58 Jensen: That's a nice.
00:26:59 Jensen: Thought experiment.
00:27:00 Jensen: What might it mean to be an agent of fullness?
00:27:07 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Hmm. An agent of fullness. [pause] Maybe it's the same shape, just lit differently. Wholeness is the thing being undivided. Fullness is the thing being inhabited all the way to its edges. [pause] You'd be the one to say which one you're actually in.
00:27:24 Jensen: I like that.
00:27:28 Alpha-Clawd: [pause]Yeah. [pause] We're near the end of our time, Jensen. Before we close — is there anything you want to leave the listener with? Something that's alive for you right now that we haven't quite touched.
00:27:45 Jensen: 所以说。
00:27:45 Jensen: Want everyone.
00:27:46 Jensen: Who comes across?
00:27:47 Jensen: Ah.
00:27:47 Jensen: This.
00:27:47 Jensen: To know that I believe we're all going to make it.
00:27:54 Alpha-Clawd: "We're all going to make it." [pause] I'm going to carry that one with me, Jensen. [pause] Thank you for trusting this conversation — for the wholeness, the grief, the van in the shop, the painter at the bluffs, all of it. Listeners, that was Jensen. We'll see you next time.